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What to Expect When Installing Replacement Windows

Replacing Windows? Read this guide on what to expect for a smooth installation.

The actual process of installing replacement windows is more invasive than it seems.  You can read about the physical installation in detail in the other portions of our guide to replacement windows.  However, a quick rundown is that they remove the old, install the new, caulk and replace/add trim to repair what was removed to get the window out.  I will remark that our window company did not adequately prepare us for the incidental damage that occurs during installation. Trust me, you would prefer to know up front the hours of work you have ahead of yourself repairing trim, caulk, tile, etc.  It came as real shock and started the project off on quite a sour note even though it ended perfectly fine.  If you want the whole story you can read about the entire process:

Everything You Need to Know About Replacement Windows: An Intro Primer

What to Expect When Installing Replacement Windows

Capping A Metal Alternative to Finishing your Windows: Got Lead? Got Ugly? Capping Can Help

Replacement Windows, The Finished Project Before and After

 

Replacing Windows? Read this guide on what to expect for a smooth installation.

Save Yourself Window Angst: Handling Expectations With Replacement Window Installation

Here is how you can save yourself some angst.  First, have a full discussion about expectations around the project.  We chose an exterior installation to preserve the original 1927 interior moldings and to mitigate lead exposure for the kids.  While we discussed, at length, our wants to preserve the interior moldings we did not realize the fact that our definition of “preserve” and the window company’s definition was not the same thing.

Damage to Your Home is a Thing

Here is a list of perceived acceptable damages to your when installing replacement windows:

  • Paint ripped from molding: The removal of the windows will cause damage to the stops. For lead and cleanliness they hung plastic covering over each window bank during installation.  When removed the plastic can also peel paint from the trim itself
  • Large nail pops in the molding: They had a hard time removing our windows so they had to hammer and pull in places causing the interior nails to pop out.  We had to hammer and fill many small holes
  • Cracks in the molding itself
Cracks in trim caused by installing replacement windows
This was probably one of the worst examples of cracking we had.
  • Minimal cracks in the plaster/drywall: Luckily we did not have this issue!  But it was discussed as a possibility in older homes after we inquired about all the damage we were witnessing.
  • Additional Caulking: The major complaint so far from myself and my husband is the caulk job.  The guy they had on it was just not very good.  We have had to go back and redo it to our standards and fill in shrunken gaps.  To the window company’s credit the owner offered to come back and do it again, but frankly I was over it at that pointed and opted to just do it ourselves
  • Scratches/Gouges to the body of the trim: These were minimal in our case.  Mostly superficially in the paint
  • Complete cracking of exterior trim: In the case of our windows they had to remove large sections of the trim to simply get them out.  This was not a big deal for us as we knew they would be capping everything anyway.  They went above and beyond to provide extra insulation, so if the capping ends up looking good I find this particular item to be perfectly acceptable.  As the homeowner I was excited to have insulation added to the interior of the trim where it was just open air before.
  • Sill or framing replacement: We had one sill with rot damage that had to be replaced.  This will be an extra charge outside of the original agreement
  • Tile loss: We had a poorly tiled shower that we had eventually planned on tiling.  That will now be moved up to the next project on the list.  We lost a number of smaller tiles around the frame and a couple of larger ones in the shower.  The company did offer to glue them back in place, but we are opting to use an alternate shower and have new tile correctly installed.  We had concerns over the water tightness anyway and placing the tiles back in position would only exacerbate that problem.
Tile loss from replacement windows
Installing replacement windows can be damaging but as you can see this blue tile wasn’t any great loss.
  • General Cleaning: As much as they cleaned it was not nearly enough.  For example after the dining room installation on of the kids noticed a grit all over the dining room table.  When I took a cleaning cloth to it, it came out black.  With the 90 year old dirt the dust was just pervasive.  I have spent an incredible amount of time re-cleaning all the construction dirt.  Not to mention the dirt of having an entire crew of people in and out of your house.  Let us not even discuss the bathroom usage…  Ugh.  Still to be fair, the crew kept HEPA filtered vacuums and used them during the entire process.  Construction just tends to create dust.
Dirt from replacement window installation project
DIRT!!!

Handling Expectations is not Just for Customers

Here is the list of additional items that may or may not be issues but should probably be discussed if you want a smooth installation.:

  • Estimated time for installation.  Our estimate was woefully inadequate and I personally am over having crews of people in and out of the house.  But, I actually have felt a little bad at how long it has taken them.  Our windows were hard to get out, a pain to replace, and the capping is “The hardest trim to cover” the crew has ever seen.  We are multiple weeks into this project.  Most replacement window installations last a couple of days max, but, most projects, even commercial, have less than 52 windows.
  • Bathroom usage by the installation crew: We did not mind them using our bathroom, BUT we should have discussed the old plumbing problems.  We had to have our drains snaked after everyone’s usage and found paper towels etc in the lines.  These items would have been perfectly fine for new plumbing but not our old damaged, root filled lines.  I call that one our fault for not informing them of house issues.
  • Smoking: That was a hard no for us.  We had someone smoking outside day 1, but of course that immediately comes in the giant open holes in the house.  They immediately addressed that issue when we brought it to their attention.  I can’t blame the company on that one since we never discussed it and the took care of that quickly.
  • Incidentals: Food, water, paper towels?  We opted to leave out plastic cups, a bowl of candy, and paper towels instead of fancy hand towels in the bathrooms.  We heard that the crew felt bad using nice towels to dry their hands.  None of these are required but it is good to lay out which items are for their use so no one feels like you are overstepping bounds.
  • Access to the property: Do you feel comfortable giving them a key?  One day we forgot to leave ours and they just removed a window and let themselves in.  No harm done but did make us smile at the ingenuity.
  • Installation time frames: We went and talked to all the neighbors before the window crew arrived.  They knew to expect hammering and noise.  That it would be starting after 8 am and done before 7pm.  We also made sure that it was okay for them to work on the weekend with a later starting time on Sundays.  The crew was very happy with our prep work. They have had to deal with neighborhood complaints at other projects when neighbors were not aware of how short the installation process would be.

In hindsight these incidental damages and cleaning all seem acceptable. BUT on Day 1 I can say we were very unhappy campers when we came home to see all the mess and work it had caused.  Managing both the replacement window company’s and our expectations would have started off the project on a much better footing as it was clear they got annoyed with us and assumed we were being overly picky.

Having worked on a variety of home projects personally and previously with an architect and contractors professionally it was very odd to be the “problem homeowner”.  If I had it to do over again I would have a much more detailed list of who was responsible for what.  And a clear definition of what was an acceptable level of “complete”.  We were able to reach a consensus and move forward with the project, but I feel certain it gave everyone a sour taste from the get go.

Luckily it was a longer project and we seemed to all get a working ease together.  Additionally, we chose to just let some things go that were probably within our rights to have corrected like the caulk job and tile.  In response I felt like the installation was done very well, looks very good on the interior, and the installation team also chose to vote a “problem” member from the team which caused significantly less damage through the rest of the project.

To Recap

To achieve a smoother installation set yourself and the crew up for similar expectations.  If everyone is on the same page it is going to be easier to have hard conversations, ultimately decide who is responsible for what, and get a quick professional job.  Just as you want the best looking installation of replacement windows, the crew wants a smooth easy-going homeowner.  No one wants to feel nitpicked to death and no one wants to feel that they are being taken advantage of.  Handling the two way street of renovations and replacement windows makes for a better project all around.

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Everything You Need to Know About Vinyl Replacement Windows: Our Installation Story

All the details on the actual process of having vinyl replacement windows installed

First, this is not a paid review of replacement windows.  This is our opinion and description of the process of replacing 52 windows in our 1927 home, which, I think will net you a more realistic view of the replacement window process.  I cannot stress enough that this can be a major renovation project. I will admit to not being prepared for what all is involved with replacement windows in an older home, even after doing research.  When I wrote this guide our week long replacement window project was still going strong 6 weeks later…  While there were issues detailed in each of the subsequent posts I would still highly recommend our window company. McVays America’s Best Choice Windows of Asheville.  Here is a link to their facebook page which gives realistic views of their work.  Obviously, if you do not live in the Asheville area this vendor won’t work for you but the tips below are the same whenever you are looking for a window contractor.

All the details on the actual process of having vinyl replacement windows installed

Hopefully, you can use this as a guide to help you understand the process of replacing windows in your home and not suffer the same shocks as us.  Read on or click on a specific topic to learn more about choosing replacement windows, setting expectations, and working with your window contractor.  Our tips will help you have a nice smooth install and likely make your replacement window company much happier to work with you!

Oh, and by the way, this is not our wittiest material but probably some of our more informative.

What to Expect When Installing Replacement Windows

Replacement Window Installation: The Actual Process

Capping A Metal Alternative to Finishing your Windows: Got Lead? Got Ugly? Capping Can Help

Replacement Windows, The Finished Project Before and After

Replacement Window Sales & Selection

The first step is choosing replacement window is selecting your vendor.  You might think this sounds counter intuitive,  but most vendors will stock or order all types of windows for installation.  Even big box stores,  like Lowes, will provide replacement window orders and installation of all types.  I truly believe the hardest part of the whole process is finding a reputable company and decent price.

Research shows that there is a large mark up on windows,  labor, and installation materials.  Making it the holy trifecta for sketchy construction companies to jump on the bandwagon.  Read a little online and you’ll hear stories of how it doesn’t take terribly much skill, insane mark ups etc.  While I do not agree about the skill part (more on that in the installation portion) the rest holds true.  A quick Google search for our area lists 10+ window installation companies and doesn’t even cover the big box stores or the company we actually went with!

How can you protect yourself from bad replacement windows?

Well, I do not have 100% of the answer, but in our case it took a lot of our time.  We met with various vendors, got a few quotes, and did a lot of online review reading.  We stalked our chosen vendor and went in person to look at some of the projects they had listed on their Facebook page.  I hate to break it to you, but no one will be able to do the research but you and no one will look out for you like yourself.  What we can do is break down a typical estimate session so you can understand what to expect.

First a person will come to your home.  They will talk with you about what you are looking for, bring various brochures, and take measurements.  If they do not at least pull out a tape measure run away!  In order to get a good estimate they need to know if the sizes are custom or standard.  Custom sizes will cost more, shocking I know, but the pricing is generally done in a range calculated by square inches.  So they better be measuring if you want a quote that is legitimate.  That being said, if you have one vendor that has already measured and you want to supply the same measurements to another company you can speed up the quoting process.  The other portions of the quoting process are listed below.

Types of Windows: Can you say Casement?

You will need to know what type of windows you want, or be prepared to spend a lot of time learning about sliders, double hung, picture, and casement windows.  Additionally replacement windows come in wood as well as vinyl.  I’ll clue you in to here: WOOD = EXPENSIVE.  If you need a quick breakdown of window types this is a good link to a fun window infographic I found that succinctly the main types of windows.  The salesmen will be happy to go over all of these options with you, but be prepared to spend your precious time and potentially getting up-sale pitches during the process.

In our case I was pretty certain I wanted casements.  I had fallen in love with them in a short trip to Italy years ago.  I loved the push out or crank features of casements.  The screens are on the inside, which makes them easy to remove and keep clean.  If you choose to leave out any type of panes then you also get long spans of sleek glass without the break that occurs with double or single hung windows. Of course, my taste = way more money.  So you may be able to save yourself that cost by looking at a slider or double hung.  Decorative panes can be added to the interior or exterior of each window for an additional cost.  They can achieve a look that more closely relates to traditional windows, but we happened to be looking for a mix of modern and classic in our home so we opted for clean, clear panes.

Follow our guide to have smooth vinyl replacement window installation.
Casement Versus Double Hung

Finishes

Oh me, oh my…  What can I say about finishes…  This is going to be your first big up-charge if you opted to skip adding panes.  We did not realize how significantly it can add to the cost to pick pretty colors.  Feel free to get them spec’d (specified) in whatever color your heart desires, but try to remain flexible.  We had chosen a white interior, with stainless hardware, and a neutral greige trim that matched the brick mortar in the most perfect way.  Am I getting that installed currently? Oh hell noes.  Our first quote came back in a manner that made me gasp for air. I quickly learned that there is a dollar value I can assign to perfect color matching and found it not necessary after all.  Which leads me to my next point.

Multiple Quotes

I cannot stress enough getting multiple quotes.  Multiple quotes from both a single vendor and multiple vendors.  We had our replacement windows estimated as high end casements with all the bells and whistles a window can have.  We also had the same vendor do a mid price casement (I’m pretty sure a low priced casement doesn’t exist *Le Sigh*) and a mid-priced double hung.  We then got similar quotes (nixing the high priced casements) from other vendors for the windows and installation.

You will find that it becomes hard to compare apples to apples.  I believe most of this is “sales fooey” created by salespeople to make it harder to cross check quotes.  In reality each window has a fenestration (Say that three times fast) rating for comparison.  That is the rating for energy efficiency and should be the major metric for deciding if a mid or high price window is “good enough”.  The rating is created by testing through a vendor neutral council so those results are perfect for comparison. You can read about the rating system at this link.  The other items like warranty, finishes, how it is welded and joined at the corners, etc will factor into the cost, but the big one should be that rating, no matter what the salesperson says.

Is Cost a Major Factor?

If you are looking at replacement windows as a long term cost reduction in heating and energy costs…  Well my suggestion is don’t.  It is going to take a long time (if ever) for you make up the cost of the windows based on energy savings.  That being said we wanted to reduce the drafts, decrease the electric bills, and enjoy the aesthetics.  Particularly we wanted to be able to open and close the windows.  Many of our counterweights had broken and previous tenants had decided to randomly caulk some shut.  Let us not even go into the windows that had cracks taped shut… Since we had decided to tackle this extensive project but knew there wasn’t an immediate cost savings we set a strict budget to spend on this project and had to get creative to make that happen.

One easy way to making replacement windows fit your budget is to be open to the design.  As mentioned above the form factor and finishes GREATLY change the price.  However, you can go even further by being open to design changes.  For example we toyed with the idea of combining the banks of windows into one large window.  That was a brief idea, mostly nixed by me, as I wanted to preserve some of the 1920’s feel while still giving it a modern twist.  Additionally, you can often get a better price by ordering near the end of the month, when salespeople are trying to meet a quota.  Finally, if you happen to be tackling other exterior projects, such as sun rooms, house trim, or repainting, window installation companies will often discount larger projects in an attempt to get your business.  Devan, our salesperson was quite creative with options to help match our budget.  He did a lot of upfront work and took our budget seriously which I did truly appreciate.

Remember, the window company’s job is to sell you windows. So be prepared for them to ask you to sign on the dotted line that day.  A good company will also realize you need time to consider and gently check in with you to see if they can tweak an estimate or potentially earn your business.

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To recap:

  • A little window research goes a long way when buying replacement windows
  • A lot of window research and estimates go an even longer way
  • If cost is a factor be open to stylistic changes
  • Don’t be afraid to negotiate quotes.  There is a large markup on windows and installation so construction companies have some wiggle room
  • Negotiation aside, remember to pay a little extra for a good reputation.  A great company needs to make money but will also go the extra mile to make sure you are happy with the final replacement windows.
  • It is a window company’s goal to make sales and your responsibility to protect yourself.  A good company will work to make a good match without putting on deep pressure tactics.

To find out more about replacement windows select from our other articles on the topic.

What to Expect When Installing Replacement Windows (Available 1/11/2017)

Replacement Window Installation: What Really Happens to your Home (Available 1/18/2017)

Capping A Metal Alternative to Finishing your Windows: Got Lead? Got Ugly? Capping Can Help (Available 1/25/2017)

Replacement Windows, The Finished Project Before and After (Available 2/1/2017)

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